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Help spread the word about Suboxone Talk Zone and SuboxForum with merchandise, including coffee mugs, sweatshirts, baseball caps… even intimate apparel!  Proceeds from sales help support my efforts by paying for business cards, which then get sent to doctors’ offices to be shared with addicts new to buprenorphine.  Thanks!

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CHRIS120829 March 15, 2010 at 1:00 pm

Dear Doctor,
Thank you for what you do. I was given Suboxone for jaw joint pain in April of ’09. At one point, I was up to 16 mgs a day and took it to 8 mgs a day. I am determined to get off it and been down to 2 mgs a day three times in the past couple of months but the complete breakaway is too hard as I have to travel a great deal.
Someone mentioned trying ultram (tramadol?) in place as it’s easier to taper off of and using clonidine as well? I know I should ask my doctor but do these at least sound like respectable opinions/options?
Many thanks

na4lifejft March 18, 2010 at 11:44 am

I live in the Chicago land area, and I have been on Suboxone for almost 4 mos. I started at 12 mg every morning. After 1 wk I decreased to 8 mg every morning. Today is Thursday and I am having surgery Wednesday, in six days, and over the last wk I have decreased to 4 mg every morning. Today was the first day on 2 mg, and my last dose (after researching this subject) will be Saturday. The doc here says the half life of Suboxone is 70 hrs. I am hopeful that stopping on Saturday will allow the pain meds they give me to work and not be blocked by the Suboxone. I told my orthopedic surgeon that I was a recovering addict and on Suboxone, but he never heard of it. I called the anesthesiologist office at the hospital where I am having the surgery, and they were familiar with Methadone but not Suboxone, but did understand the partial agonist and antagonist properties of the medicine. I printed out copies of some great info I found on http://www.naabt.org regarding Suboxone/surgery/tolerance, and I will have a copy for the surgeon and recovery nurses. I gave one to my Sub doc because when I called him to tell him about me having surgery he told me to stay on the Suboxone because it is for pain. Well, being the good addict I am, I looked more closely at Suboxone to see if this was true and NAABT was a great source of info, and said to stop Suboxone 3 days prior to surgery. I was very anxious about surgery and pain meds b/c I do not want to return to abusing them, but I don’t want to be in pain. Hopefully I can have the surgery, get post-op pain meds, and maybe a script for a few days worth of pain medication, and then induct back to Suboxone. The key is honesty with self on pain level. I was clean and sober for 8 yrs and attended NA meetings that saved my ass..crack head that I was. After several surgeries, and my dishonesty about being an addict with my previous doctors, I abused pain meds and gave up my clean time. Life sucked for years, and I felt pretty hopeless until Suboxone…it saved my ass. I attend mostly AA meetings, a few NA, and my sponsor, home group members, and several other people know I take Suboxone. I am not judged and I AM clean and sober. The only requirement for membership in AA/NA, is a desire to stop! I do not abuse mind/mood altering drugs…Suboxone does not get me high, but it does effectively reduce craving and I feel “normal” I am grateful for all you people, and the Doc for this site. NAABT web site has a document (http://www.naabt.org/documents/PCSSAcutePainGuidance.pdf) that states the following: “For patients receiving bup/nx who develop or are anticipated to have acute and limited (e.g. 2 hours to 2 weeks) pain that will not be adequately treated with non-opioid analgesia, the following steps are recommended:
1. Anticipated pain (e.g. elective surgery, tooth extraction)
· Temporarily discontinue bup/nx 2436 hours prior to anticipated need for analgesia
· Provide adequate opioid analgesia, titrate to effect. It is good practice to know the usual doses needed for patients undergoing the planned procedure. Discuss with your colleagues and remember that patients who are opioid dependent and who have recently received bup/nx will likely need higher than usual doses of opioid analgesics due to their physical tolerance and/or narcotic blockade from recent doses of bup/nx.
· Do not provide bup/nx while patient is receiving opioid analgesia
· Discontinue opioid analgesia once pain has remitted or can be managed with nonopioid
analgesia.
· Allow patient to experience mild to moderate opioid withdrawal.
· Re-induce patient onto bup/nx as per usual.
· Note: single doses of opioid analgesics (e.g. post dental extraction) may be effective even if bup/nx has not been discontinued. However, patients should be cautioned to avoid bup/nx dosing during period that opioid analgesic is likely to be occupying receptors”. This is another good link for information: http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/144/2/127.pdf

veronicastahl April 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm

Good luck with your surgery. I have a question. I have been on suboxone since Feb 2010. I am a cigarette smoker and I have doubled my nicotine intake since starting suboxone treatment. I asked my doctor about trying to quit smoking, but he said something to the effect of “One thing at a time”. So, I am wondering if this is normal and if anyone has any advice. I literally will be putting a cigarette out thinking of lighting another one. It’s like I can’t feel them at all. Does suboxone block acetolcholine or what? help!

veronicastahl April 6, 2010 at 4:42 pm

I also have the hardest time getting up and going in the morning. I set my alarm for class or work and just shut off my alarm in a wake-sleep state and then will continue to sleep for until like 5 p.m. without waking once.

I have never had any sleeping difficulties prior to taking suboxone. I sleep so deeply, I do not awake to any noises or a knocking on the door or a phone call. It’s like I die in my sleep. Is this normal ? Is there any supplement I can take with Suboxone that will alleviate this symptom.? Thanks

smellycat April 8, 2010 at 11:54 am

I’ve been on suboxone for a little over a year now. My Dr. started me on it to get me off Ultram and Lortab. The Suboxone has worked wonders. It took my system a while to get adjusted to it and to get over the nausea but my Dr. and I finally got the right dose. I also suffer from a herinated disc between c4 and c5 so I’m on the suboxone for both addiciton and pain management. I have been really pleased with the results of the suboxone therapy. My only complaint was it is so expensive. I wish that more peoplein the medical field esp. Dr’s. were aware of the benifits of this drug. I also attened 12-step meetings and have a sponsor. I don’t just depend on the drug alone to treat my addiciton. I’m very greatful to my Dr. for talking to me about trying suboxone. I had been on Ultram for a while and tried to get off of it by myself and could never quite do it. The withdrawals were horrible!! Anyway, Much thanks to this web-site and to the folks who put this together.

stongej2002 April 8, 2010 at 1:06 pm

Hello Doctor,

I am taking Subs 6mg a day. I have slipped up and awaited a few days an took 70mg of Norco for one day. Can I wait about 8 or 9 hours and take a small dose of subs? Like 2mg?

mustang_gyrl April 18, 2010 at 4:41 pm

Hello Veronicastahl, I have been on sub since March 31,2010.I myself have been going through the same things, increase smoking and touble staying asleep at night….right now my dosage is 2 1/2 tablets a day…well for the smoking I told my Dr. about the increase smoking, he wanted to get my dosage of sub right first to see if that would help decrease my smoking..I too was smoking like crazy,anyhow he has now prescribe wellbutrin to help. Just started the wellbutrin last Wednesday .I will let you know how it works out!!!!! Also the sleeping I again was having the same issue..My Dr. had my spread out my dosage so that my last dosage is later in the evening.I take the 2 1/2 tabs in halves so I can stretch throughout the day. Also my last does of wellbutrin is at bedtime right before my head hits the pillow and that has helped me to rest a little better..The wellbutrin starts in 1 dose a day for 3 days..then 2 a day 1 in the morning and 1 at bedtime for 3days then 3 a day 2 in the morning and 1 at bedtime.My Dr. told me that once I started taking the 2 a day and I see that my smoking is less ,to just remain at that dose and not take the 3 a day….Hope this help a lil. Good Luck and God Bless

Leesa April 21, 2010 at 2:05 pm

Ive been on 16mg a day for 3yrs, 8mg day 8mg night. My withdrwal almost killed me, I had a very serious addiction. My dr. is very good als xpensive. I really just need to know, am i goin to be on this indefinately, what am i goin to do when im weened off????? I also have a extremely serious anxiety disorder, wich is probably why i came to be where i am. I can not handle the aftermath, no way. I was on methadone at 19 for 2yrs, i was put on rapid decrease and ended up having a seizure that damn near killed me, do to methadone withdrawl. There is no F***ing way I am going thru that again, EVER. I don’t mind the anxiety meds those are indefinate, but suboxone is expensive, time consuming with Dr. visits that i constantly forget and I am scared as hell to be off suboxone. it’s not happening anytime soon, but still, come on? Why so pricey? Insurance, nope, yea rite. What am i goin to do. p.s my dr. out a town thats why i came here. So if some kind of post drug is made? what? I am not weening off, I am terrified of it. I have a whole lot a life ahead of me. What are the people who made the stuff doing to help the people who take it? the Aftermath? I am greatful that there is finally something that helps, but…….?

Livin April 29, 2010 at 9:09 am

Leesa,

I have been on Suboxen for 2 years and before that every opiate known to man for 4 years. I was taking 3 to 4 8mg a day for almost 2years, about 3 months ago I got down to a half of an 8 a day (4mg) until last Friday when I took my last pill FOREVER!!! It is now day 6 since the withdrawels or day 4 if you give it the 3 days they say it takes to leave your system. It has not been easy by any means but I have set my mind to it and giving it my all, for my body sake, family sake and life in general. You will go through pain and being uncomfortable but if you can tell yourself that hey this is only 7 to 10 days out of the rest of your life and take it day by day, you can do it!!! I have not slept and paced my house every nite until 5 or 6 am until I slept for an hour until I had to work but work and the extra ciricular activities are the things that will get you through, its all a mind set and the positive things you do to get through. I am still in pain and very uncomfortable but taking excedrin back & body for the bad pains and imodium for the diareha helps a lot, the sleep thing is a different story and you will just have to endure and if you believe in God or higher power, call on them for strength!!!

Take it one day at a time, see the light at the end of the road and just think how awesome it will be to be free, Free at last, Free at last, Thank God I am free at last!!! You will be so proud of yourself and remember nothing is impossible through God and family!!!!

Take care,

Livin

skelley May 11, 2010 at 5:35 pm

THX Dr. It will not let me in the Forum on the user name & pass word I set up here?? Thank you for the fast response. Can you direct me to admin. or tect support so I can get this resolved. I’m picking up a gal & headed for my Tue. nite womens AA meeting right now. Back in a couple of hrs.I would definately like to get this level or ceiling right w/ me! I think I was referring to mg. as in milligram. The Dr prescribing is brand new to this. Can U hang in there w/ me untill I can get this resolved. I am doing my best to get logged into the Forum.

SuboxDoc May 11, 2010 at 8:28 pm

I sent you an e-mail– reply with the info I asked for and I will try to get you set up.

JJ

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